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Full-Time College Director Position Available

This is a reminder that I will be stepping down as the college director of The Quest at Bel Air Presbyterian Church in Los Angeles, CA. I resigned in January, but my final day is June 13.

It’s an amazing job, with some amazing students. If you are interested, or have any questions, please feel free to contact me. But if you want to apply, see the information below.


Bel Air Presbyterian Church is seeking a full-time Director of University Discipleship to lead a worshipping community of university and college students at BAPC and a dynamic ministry to students across the many campuses of Los Angeles.

The ideal candidate will have a healthy relationship with Jesus Christ, a passion for sharing his word, a desire to make disciples for him, administrative gifs, and an infectious enthusiasm to mobilize students to make Christ known in Los Angeles and around the world.

Please send resumes to: kelley.dundon@belairpres.org.

Bel Air Presbyterian Church
16221 Mulholland Drive
Los Angeles, CA 90049

Websites: www.belairpres.org, www.thequestbelair.org, Facebook: Bel Air Quest

Anybody Want My Job?

So I will go into more detail later, but I officially resigned from my position after 7 years as the college director at my church back on January 11th. I am staying on through June 13 and the end of the college school year for my students.

It’s been an amazing time, and I will share more about that later, why I resigned, and what’s next. It’s an exciting time. But for now I want you to either apply for my job or pass the word on. Because I love it. And because if you love college ministry, then it’s a great position and a great opportunity to work with students from UCLA, USC, LMU, CSUN, Santa Monica college, musicians, actors, etc.

If you have any questions feel free to email me at rhett@belairpres.org, but for now. Here is the official information.

Bel-Air Presbyterian
Seeking a full-time Director of University Discipleship to lead a worshipping community of university and college students at BAPC and a dynamic ministry to students across the many campuses of LA. The ideal candidate will have a healthy relationship with Jesus Christ, a passion for sharing His word, a desire to make disciples for him, administrative gifts, and an infectious enthusiasm to mobilize students to make Christ known in LA and around the world. Send resumes to: kelley.dundon@belairpres.org. For more info, check out www.thequestbelair.org.

You can also find our Facebook page at Bel Air Quest

Exploring College Ministry…

I’m going to blog more about this after the weekend, but I just had a great lunch with Benson Hines, who runs the blog Exploring College Ministry. Ben is on a year long road trip across the country checking out college ministries, so it was great to have lunch with him today and confirm some of my own thoughts and beliefs about college ministry and what is taking place, and it was good to hear his thoughts on what is happening around the country.

I left lunch feeling very encouraged. Also I left lunch knowing that college ministry is not about having a church job, but it’s about caring about college students and working with them and using your gifts in whatever tangible way that is.

Check out his great blog….he has some great thougths and insights, and who knows, he may be posting about your church or college ministry.

Contact him if you would like to pick his brain along the way, or if you would like to have him come out and visit your ministry….or if you would like to treat him to a cup of coffee.

Update on The Postmodern Family at Collection of Crumbs

RO Smith over at Collection of Crumbs just finished his second post on our new youth ministry blog. It is titled, The State of the Postmodern Family (Part 2). Please check out his first post, The State of the Postmodern Family (Part 1).

We look forward to having you visit our blog, give input and hopefully become a contributor on youth ministry.

New Post at Collection of Crumbs Youth Ministry Blog


Check out Drews Sams over at our new youth ministry blog, Collection of Crumbs, as he starts his first post of six, on The Power of Story in Youth Ministry.

Stay tuned for more writing on Junior High, High School and College Ministry.

John MacArthur Is Not Taking Postmodernism to Church

Ironic, that on the day I began reading a book on postmodernism and its importance on helping reshape the Church, I see that Phillip Johnson is posting a discussion on John MacArthur’s book, The Truth War: Fighting for Certainty in an Age of Deception.

I remember a couple of years ago when Phillip Johnson of Pyromaniacs said this:

Rhett Smith is the very model of a postmodern college minister. It’s interesting to watch him wrestle with evangelical faddism from the paradigm of a young emerging church leader.

Though, not a compliment from him, I took it as one. Sometimes we don’t want to agree with certain people. And though I haven’t read MacArthur’s book, therefore, eliminating from the conversation on it, I don’t plan on reading it in this case. But I can assume that MacArthur has nothing nice to say about postmodernism.

I used to read and listen to MacArthur on the radio all through college, but I stopped one night in about 1996 or 1997 after he said something to the effect of not lying to officials if he was hiding Jews in his house. The underlying idea being, that God is sovereign and doesn’t need us to lie to accomplish His will, etc. Which brings about all sorts of thoughts, but here is just two: 1) I’m glad I’m not a Jew hiding in his house; 2) God is Sovereign but seems to use us and all sorts of methods to bring about his way (i.e. lying being one of them, Rahab for example). Here is that question being asked by a person and answered by John.

That was a whole other side note. Just realizing that as I read through this book that there are many Christians from various schools of thoughts and various opinions. Getting all of us to agree, especially when certain schools believe they have all the answers or are so dogmatic in their positions, can be quite impossible I suppose.

  • For one theologian’s view on properly dealing with the question of Jews during the war (i.e. helping hide them, lying on behalf of them, working against Hitler, etc.), read anything and everything by Dietrich Bonhoeffer.

Here is a great book, which was recommended to me by Wess

Who’s Afraid of Postmodernism: Taking Derrida, Lyotard, and Foucault to Church by James K. A. Smith

If I am opposed to the epistemology, or theory of knowledge, that plagues modern Christianity, then I am opposed to the ecclesiology (or lack thereof) that accompanies this modernist version of the faith. Within the matrix of a modern Christianity, the base “ingredient” is the individual; the church, then, is simply a collection of individuals. Conceiving of Christian faith as a private affair between the individual and God–a matter of my asking Jesus to “come into my heart”–modern evangelicalism finds it hard to articulate just how or why the church has any role to play other than providing a place to fellowship with other individuals who have a private relationship with God. With this model in place, what matters is Christianity as a system of truth or ideas, not the church as a living community embodying its head. Modern Christianity tends to think of the church either as a place where individuals come to find answers to their questions or as one more stop where individuals can try to satisfy their consumerist desires. As such, Christianity becomes intellectualized rather than incarnate, commodified rather than the site of genuine community. (pp. 29)

The Changing Face of College Ministry (Part 2 of 2)

In my post a couple of days ago I began talk about some of the changing trends in college ministry. This is my second post on this topic. These are trends based on my own experience, anecdotal evidence, conversations, readings, etc. As you see near the end of this post, a few of the trends are things that I have noticed, but I don’t know if they are necessarily a move away from something prior towards something new….or just a movement towards something new and unique. Some of them are also changes that may not be earth shattering in any way, but just unique. Like the trend towards text messaging as one of the only forms of communication with my students, versus phone and email.

So take a look at this post and the previous one, and give me any feedback you might have. I’m really curious to hear from you.

  • We know college students and students in general are always changing, but has there been a paradigm shift in college students and the types of ministry that we do?
  • If you have some further thoughts, let me know and we can interact via blog.

Move Away from Slick, Professional Looking Services/Events, Towards Organic-Authentic Services

  • Student’s seek authenticity, and if something seems to slick, it doesn’t feel organic and authentic to them. This is where the line between doing something excellent and being too professional are very blurred.
  • I just had a talk with a student yesterday who commented that he felt like our college worship service was not raw and organic enough. That the pre-programmed lights, flow and ambiance seemed too planned out and orchestrated. He is not the first that I have talked to this year or other years about this. This is a constant challenge.
  • As leaders, when we plan a service, we often have very different things in mind than those that attend. Too professional reminds them of overly rehearsed TV preachers and evangelists and can cause a bad reaction.
  • College students live very “organic lives.” (Meaning, they often go to and from on a whim, and even though they plan things out, college life is about spontaneity, and being organic and real to the moment.)

Move Away from Loyalty to One Ministry/Organization, Towards Interest, Involvement in Many Ministries/Organizations

  • It used to be that you could find a student, or student leader to commit solely to your ministry for a certain time period. Sure they have always been busy and had their things in other things. But it seems these days that they are involved in many, many things, and your ministry is just one of them. And it many not demand from them the loyalty, time or exclusion that you are expecting.
  • I think this can best be seen on Facebook and other social networking site. Students can join about 150 groups. One only has to watch the news-feed to see the groups that student’s join daily. Now, don’t get me wrong. joining a group can mean nothing. It’s online and often involves no involvement. But some do. But what it is more indicative of to me is that student’s want to be involved in as many things as possible. And to do this means that their time to your ministry is now more limited. Because now they have more access to things available because of the internet. Things that were not available to them, or they did not know about even five years ago.

Move Away from Dispensing Information via Paper , Towards Dispensing Information via Online/Web Based/Social Networking

  • I know, this is a funny one to mention. But the reality is, is that I make about three paper flyers a year, do a bulletin once a week and hang some flyers on campuses. There were several reasons. People just don’t read paper that you hand to them and it’s a waste of money and resources.
  • With Facebook, we create every flyer online in the events option, and we advertise and communicate primarily through our website. I’ve never heard students say they came to our group through bulletins or even some flyers, but rather through online networking groups and our website.
  • Online resources also help eliminate top-down authority and enable the community to collaborate, create and make decisions.

Move Away from Phone Calls, Towards Text and IM

  • I receive possibly, and I mean possibly one phone call a week on my work phone (and it’s never from a student).
  • If any student ever contacts me through a phone, it’s obviously their cell phone.
  • But even now, 9 out of 10 of my communications with students (for meetings, meeting up, questions, etc.) are through text messaging, not through a phone call. This began a couple of years ago when students sort of stopped calling and only texted, I just didn’t have a good enough phone to text rapidly. So I went out and bought one. If students can communicate without a phone call they will. I think phone calling is often seen as an invasion of privacy, especially if you are calling one you don’t know.

Move Away from Email, Towards Social Networking Messaging

  • I receive about 100 emails a day. Mostly from students. In the last few months, 5 out 10 of messages from my students to me come via Facebook now and not email. Everything they do needs to be done on one page. Why move to a different site when Facebook can do it all?

Move Away from the Traditional Favorite Christian Authors, Towards Newer Emerging Ones

Move Away from Political and Social Conservatism, Towards Moderate/Liberal

  • I know this shouldn’t really be surprising, as a lot of college students tend to lean more liberally in college than some of the other stages of life, but when it comes to Christian college students, you usually tend to get Conservatives. I remember when it was a really big deal that we had two Democrats (at least outspoken ones) in a group of about 200. That has changed. More and more students are identifying themselves as moderate and liberal, or just being disillusioned in general with both parties and wanting to vote independent. The most recent Ivy Jungle Campus Update talks about some of these trends.
  • Also, some of the leading speakers that Christian college students identify with (Rob Bell, Shane Claiborne and Donald Miller) aren’t walking billboards for the Religious Right or Republican party. If anything, they have been influencing students in other directions.

Move Towards Eco-Friendly/Green

  • Just look at the news. More and more students are trying to figure out simple ways of living more green, from recycling more responsibly, to driving more fuel saving cars, etc. Many pastors have been preaching series about God and green, so it’s not surprising that this issue has been picking up steam in the church.

Move Towards Social Justice Issues

  • I don’t know if students have ever not been interested in social justice issues. But with authors such as Shane Claiborne, and identification with more independent and liberal politics, to more awareness of global issues such as sex trafficking, etc, students have been talking to me more and more about issues related to social justice.

A New Youth Ministry Blog

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Just a reminder to check out our new youth ministry group blog Collection of Crumbs. It is a site that we hope is dedicated to thinking theologically about youth ministry. A site dedicated to integrating junior high, high school and college into the life of the Church.

We would love your input on the site. We would love to link your blog. We would love for you to be a contributor.

The Changing Face of College Ministry (Part 1 of 2)

College is an interesting age and stage to do ministry in. It’s no surprise that college students are always changing and if one is in college ministry (or any ministry for that fact) long enough you are able to notice more readily some of those changes and trends.

I’ve been in vocational college ministry for almost ten years now:

  • 3 years at Grand Canyon University where I was an admission counselor and recruiter and where I worked on occasion with the Department of Spiritual Life as we coordinated events for students.

Over these last ten years I have had the opportunity to be a part of a lot of exciting things in ministry and it has been interesting to watch the college student change. Recently I have been in a lot of conversations with various college pastors in the local area as well as across the country. And we have spent a great deal of time talking about the changing face of college ministry. On top of that, it is interesting to continually watch the Ivy Jungle Campus Ministry Update and the changing trends they identify in college students.

What I want to do in this post is just identify a few of the trends that I have noticed. These come out of my observations and conversations with other fellow practitioners. In doing this, keep in mind that I am aware of the fact that I am casting a general stereotype which may or may not hold true for your experiences. And I’m taking into consideration that location and context greatly influence college ministry. So for everything I point out, you may or may not disagree. I would be interested in your feedback then. I’m also aware that the trends I identify are not exclusive to college ministry perhaps, but reflect a great movement in the Church.

I began working with college students on a small, liberal arts, Christian University in Phoenix, AZ, and I’m now working at a large church in Los Angeles that is composed of a lot of people in entertainment, while I work with students primarily from USC, UCLA and LMU. So that’s a little of my context.

Trends

Move Away from the Programmed Ministry, Towards Relational Ministry

  • This shouldn’t be surprising, especially since Willow Creek recently repented for their heavy reliance on program based ministry at the cost of traditional spiritual practices.
  • It used to be that if you had the right program, it would attract all the students you wanted, but now that isn’t enough. College ministry has always been relational (college students are relational by nature), but in recent years many have realized that relational ministry (relationships within the ministry) are sacrificed in order to keep the program running.

Move Away from the Big Gathering Event, Towards Smaller, More Interactive Gatherings

  • It used to be that college students were drawn to large gatherings. That is still true in some sense. But with the failure of many attempted big events on campus (I’m thinking of a handful at UCLA), to continued decreased attendance at traditional events like Forest Home’s College Briefing.
  • I was recently at a meeting with about 50 other college pastors for the upcoming Passion LA Regional Event, and the looming question was whether or not such an event could be pulled off in Los Angeles.

Move Away from Watching, Towards Participating

  • College students don’t want to simply come to a worship service, or outreach project and watch. They want to participate. That might not mean preaching, speaking or playing an instrument, but they want to participate in the planning of the event, and also participate as a worshiper in a service. It’s not good enough to sit on their hands in a service while others do all the work/performance. There has to be an element of participation.
  • This trend can be seen in the increasing number of prayer and art stations at college services and conferences. It’s hard to find a conference these days or a college service that doesn’t incorporate elements of small groups, group prayer, contemplative stations, etc. in their service.

Move Away from Expository Preaching Only, Towards a More Story Based/Narrative-Expository Combination

  • When I first started in college ministry I used to preach pretty expository, verse by verse in my sermons. But now I have had to learn how to incorporate more elements of narrative preaching and story telling into my sermons. This is something that I am glad to see happen.
  • But college students today have been raised in a story telling culture (not unlike other generations). But with the new media, computers, video games, movies, etc., they are immersed in story.
  • “The Christian mission is not well served when we speak in terms of spiritual laws or rational formulas. Propositional truths, when extracted from a narrative context, lack meaning. ‘The chief role of a Christian,’ he says, ‘is to tell a better story.’ Donald Miller in Christianity Today. Don’t underestimate the influence of Donald Miller in shaping the college mind in this area. The event that we hosted Donald Miller at in October of 2005 to this day has been our biggest draw and most popular/commented/challenging event so far from student’s perspectives. Though our event with Rob Bell is close if not equal.

Move Away from Top-Down Hierarchical Leadership, Towards a Bottom-Up, Flattened Leadership

  • I can’t say enough about this topic. But students today are very, very suspect of a ministry or organization with hierarchical leadership. This doesn’t mean that you can’t have it in a ministry, but student’s automatically will be suspect about it, especially in a church setting. Student’s today don’t want their churches or ministries to reflect corporate structures.
  • My thoughts on this issue were best addressed when some other’s commented on the moral failure of many leaders in our culture: whether it was the Jimmy Swaggart scandal, or the Bill Clinton White House scandal, etc., students are suspect of those in power.
  • Students want to see ministries that model servant, downward mobility leadership. (Read Henri Nouwen and others on this topic.)

These are just some of my thoughts based on observation, conversation and study. I will be posting two more times on this issue within the next seven days. But I would be interested in what I have posted so far.

  • What do you think of some of the trends I have identified?
  • What trends have you noticed?
  • Where is college ministry going?
  • Some may think of these trends as being one and the same with the “emerging church.” But I would say they neither are or aren’t “emergent” but part of a larger, more foundational paradigm shift. Thoughts?

Hooking-Up: A Primer for those in Youth Ministry

I posted the below for Leadership Network’s Book Blog because I think it’s an important book for those in ministry, especially if you are working with college students, or any students in general. “Hooking-up” is not simply a college phenomenon and anyone working with youth knows that. I’ve sat and listened to stories from youth pastor friends that I would find unbelievable if they were coming from anyone else than people that I know. “Hooking-up” is beginning before Junior High, and often as early as 5th grade (and I know people have stories of younger). This book grabbed my attention because though everyone knew that “hooking-up” was pretty much a college rite of passage in some circles, few talked about the effects of that sexual encounter. Now, Miriam Grossman, M.D., goes into detail about her encounters with women on college campuses. And it’s not a pretty picture.

I will be posting more on this issue at this site, as well as our new youth ministry site, Collection of Crumbs, which is a collaborative effort between those thinking theologically about Junior High, High School and College ministry.

Before you read the post below, let me ask you a few questions:

  • Is the “hook-up” culture prevalent in your ministry?
  • What are some of the effects of this culture in your ministry?
  • How, or do you approach this subject openly with your students?

Unprotected: A Campus Psychiatrist Reveals How Political Correctness in Her Profession Endangers Every Student

I’ve been slowly reading through Miriam Grossman M.D.’s new book, Unprotected, and I’m having a hard time finding the right adjective to describe my thoughts…depressing, enlightening, sad. One of the reasons that I picked up the book was because I have been working with college students for almost ten years and I (among many others) have noticed the affects of the “hook up” culture in college circles.

“Hooking up” is nothing new in college, and in fact it’s even made easier through social networking sites such as Facebook and MySpace which allow you to find “hook up” partners at the touch of a button. But now for the first time in many years, those in the medical, psychological and religious fields are taking notice of some of the long lasting effects of this sexual encounter. Dr. Grossman who has been working with college students for over twenty years, and the last ten working as a psychiatrist at UCLA’s Student Psychological Services, wrote this book out of her experiences of working with thousands of college students, and more specifically women on college campuses. Miriam writes,

“Now young people are advised to use latex, and have a limited number of partners (as opposed to unlimited?). There is a tacit approval of promiscuity and experimentation: one study of college students speaks of ‘primary and casual sex partners.”

She goes on to say that,

“More relevant to my patients at this stage in their lives is that oxytocin is released during sexual activity. Could it be that the same chemical that flows through a woman’s veins as she nurses her infant, promoting a powerful and selfless devotion, is found in college women ‘hooking up’ with men whose last intention is to bond?”

As a college pastor this is a necessary book as I interact with students who live in a “hook up” culture. And for the first time in many years, Grossman from a psychiatric perspective is confirming what Christian teachers have been saying.

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