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		<title>By: Curtis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curtis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gus,

I would love to get a copy of the guide to effective and healthy bivocational ministry.  I&#039;m an all-volunteer guy right now, but I am interested in the model.  Thanks!

Curtis Marshall</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gus,</p>
<p>I would love to get a copy of the guide to effective and healthy bivocational ministry.  I&#8217;m an all-volunteer guy right now, but I am interested in the model.  Thanks!</p>
<p>Curtis Marshall</p>
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		<title>By: rhettsmith</title>
		<link>http://rhettsmith.com/2009/04/24/why-bivocational-6-reasons-why/comment-page-1/#comment-7319</link>
		<dc:creator>rhettsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love the interaction here.  Thanks for the post Jon. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love the interaction here.  Thanks for the post Jon.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://rhettsmith.com/2009/04/24/why-bivocational-6-reasons-why/comment-page-1/#comment-7201</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 18:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JT - I agree that the bivocational thing is tough - and it&#039;s probably too much if we just take the traditional &quot;pastor&quot; role and expectations and add another job to it. I look at it within more of a house church network context, but I&#039;ve also seen it work with very intentional teams in a more traditional format with weekly Sunday services, etc. 

And the 9-5 quiet time thing was meant to be more about perception of some in churches than reality. Sorry if it came across as something else in the summary above. There are many full time pastors who work hard for 80 hours/week with little thanks, support or appreciation. I think that also speaks into our need for new models. 

Adam - Yes! Yes! Yes! We can&#039;t do it alone, and we&#039;re going to be more effective the more people get involved and use their gifts. 

Thanks for all the continuing input and conversation on this. I&#039;m still learning on this, and it&#039;s not always easy, but it&#039;s a fun journey....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JT &#8211; I agree that the bivocational thing is tough &#8211; and it&#8217;s probably too much if we just take the traditional &#8220;pastor&#8221; role and expectations and add another job to it. I look at it within more of a house church network context, but I&#8217;ve also seen it work with very intentional teams in a more traditional format with weekly Sunday services, etc. </p>
<p>And the 9-5 quiet time thing was meant to be more about perception of some in churches than reality. Sorry if it came across as something else in the summary above. There are many full time pastors who work hard for 80 hours/week with little thanks, support or appreciation. I think that also speaks into our need for new models. </p>
<p>Adam &#8211; Yes! Yes! Yes! We can&#8217;t do it alone, and we&#8217;re going to be more effective the more people get involved and use their gifts. </p>
<p>Thanks for all the continuing input and conversation on this. I&#8217;m still learning on this, and it&#8217;s not always easy, but it&#8217;s a fun journey&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Twenty Items of Interest (v.57) &#124; Caffeinated Thoughts</title>
		<link>http://rhettsmith.com/2009/04/24/why-bivocational-6-reasons-why/comment-page-1/#comment-7134</link>
		<dc:creator>Twenty Items of Interest (v.57) &#124; Caffeinated Thoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 17:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bivocational pastors?&#160; Six reasons why.&#160; I can resonate with this since I’m currently a bivocational pastor, albeit an interim [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Gus Mac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gus Mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 13:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I&#039;m a bivocational pastor in Scotland, and we&#039;re virtually unknown over here. I&#039;ve therefore written a straightforward, practical guide on how to be bivocational but stay effective and healthy. If you want it, give me your e-mail address and I&#039;ll happily send it to you. We&#039;ve just seen our church grow three times in size in four years, but it&#039;s been very challenging with constant adjustments along the way. Blessings to you, Gus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I&#8217;m a bivocational pastor in Scotland, and we&#8217;re virtually unknown over here. I&#8217;ve therefore written a straightforward, practical guide on how to be bivocational but stay effective and healthy. If you want it, give me your e-mail address and I&#8217;ll happily send it to you. We&#8217;ve just seen our church grow three times in size in four years, but it&#8217;s been very challenging with constant adjustments along the way. Blessings to you, Gus.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 02:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I think that bivocational requires that I am in full support of is teams.  Many bi-vocational pastors still try to do it on their own and that will kill them eventually (or their marriage, or their church, or their paying job).  We just aren&#039;t built to work 80 hours a week every week and raise a family and maintain a marriage.  We can&#039;t do it all.

But bi-vocational teams can bring a group of people together around a shared purpose focused on the gifts that each has.  It is also rare that they all will have life or work issues at the same time and can take up the slack from one another temporarily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I think that bivocational requires that I am in full support of is teams.  Many bi-vocational pastors still try to do it on their own and that will kill them eventually (or their marriage, or their church, or their paying job).  We just aren&#8217;t built to work 80 hours a week every week and raise a family and maintain a marriage.  We can&#8217;t do it all.</p>
<p>But bi-vocational teams can bring a group of people together around a shared purpose focused on the gifts that each has.  It is also rare that they all will have life or work issues at the same time and can take up the slack from one another temporarily.</p>
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		<title>By: JT</title>
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		<dc:creator>JT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with some of the points, but over all I do not feel it is in the best interest of the church, or the pastor and his family, for him/her to be bivocational.  I am currently bivocational and have been in full-time ministry.  I can say I worked just as hard full-time as I do now, but it was in furthering the church and the work of the ministry.  I did not have 9-5 quite times and I resent anyone saying that.  It makes full-time ministers look lazy, and my experience is that is simply not the case.    We also have the model in Acts of the Disciples committing themselves to prayer and the Word.

This mindset might be good for someone wanting to have a small church, but a growing church continues to demand time, resources and people.  I look forward to the day I have a full staff whose goal is to further the work of the ministry and touch the lives of people.

I must say that I do agree wholeheartedly with the money drain statement.  I believe in multiple streams of income and have begung to model that to my church.  Pauls was a tent maker, but he traveled full-time for most of his ministry, so he had a stream of income that did not take his time and attention off of his ministry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with some of the points, but over all I do not feel it is in the best interest of the church, or the pastor and his family, for him/her to be bivocational.  I am currently bivocational and have been in full-time ministry.  I can say I worked just as hard full-time as I do now, but it was in furthering the church and the work of the ministry.  I did not have 9-5 quite times and I resent anyone saying that.  It makes full-time ministers look lazy, and my experience is that is simply not the case.    We also have the model in Acts of the Disciples committing themselves to prayer and the Word.</p>
<p>This mindset might be good for someone wanting to have a small church, but a growing church continues to demand time, resources and people.  I look forward to the day I have a full staff whose goal is to further the work of the ministry and touch the lives of people.</p>
<p>I must say that I do agree wholeheartedly with the money drain statement.  I believe in multiple streams of income and have begung to model that to my church.  Pauls was a tent maker, but he traveled full-time for most of his ministry, so he had a stream of income that did not take his time and attention off of his ministry.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 05:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just checked in - great thoughts! Like I said, I&#039;m still learning in this, so I love hearing where people are in this whole thing...

Justin - Yes! What I love about bivocational approaches is that they open the door for various models. I&#039;m working with a more &quot;traditional&quot; model of church right now, but eventually hope to work with and support more of a house church network. That&#039;s where a lot of this thinking comes from. We &lt;i&gt;must&lt;/i&gt; have other ways to support different styles. 

Jim - I&#039;m sorry to hear it. I know there&#039;s a fine line between an opportunity and a challenge. I don&#039;t think it&#039;s for everyone, and I believe it requires the right kind of job. I know for me, it&#039;s not as easy as full-time ministry, but the belief it&#039;s where I&#039;m supposed to be pushes me on. Plus, like I mentioned in one post - this is the type of life everyone in the congregation lives - following God and using time to serve him while working another job. I do think it works best with a scaled down ministry model. It&#039;s very hard to be a bivocational pastor in a traditional &quot;full time&quot; role of preaching, leading, etc. I think it&#039;s healthy when we can build teams and lead/serve together (like thought #6)

Jared - I completely agree about the compatibility piece. It takes the right kind of job.

Micaiah - I think I&#039;ll have to lean on the piece I mentioned that this isn&#039;t for everyone. I actually think a lot about that idea of focus (It&#039;s going to be my next blog post, I think). It&#039;s best to focus in and do one thing. But one thing may not mean one job, but one focus. It&#039;s important to focus in on our gifts and passions, but I know the gifts and passions I have are being used both at my job and in my ministry. They feed each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just checked in &#8211; great thoughts! Like I said, I&#8217;m still learning in this, so I love hearing where people are in this whole thing&#8230;</p>
<p>Justin &#8211; Yes! What I love about bivocational approaches is that they open the door for various models. I&#8217;m working with a more &#8220;traditional&#8221; model of church right now, but eventually hope to work with and support more of a house church network. That&#8217;s where a lot of this thinking comes from. We <i>must</i> have other ways to support different styles. </p>
<p>Jim &#8211; I&#8217;m sorry to hear it. I know there&#8217;s a fine line between an opportunity and a challenge. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s for everyone, and I believe it requires the right kind of job. I know for me, it&#8217;s not as easy as full-time ministry, but the belief it&#8217;s where I&#8217;m supposed to be pushes me on. Plus, like I mentioned in one post &#8211; this is the type of life everyone in the congregation lives &#8211; following God and using time to serve him while working another job. I do think it works best with a scaled down ministry model. It&#8217;s very hard to be a bivocational pastor in a traditional &#8220;full time&#8221; role of preaching, leading, etc. I think it&#8217;s healthy when we can build teams and lead/serve together (like thought #6)</p>
<p>Jared &#8211; I completely agree about the compatibility piece. It takes the right kind of job.</p>
<p>Micaiah &#8211; I think I&#8217;ll have to lean on the piece I mentioned that this isn&#8217;t for everyone. I actually think a lot about that idea of focus (It&#8217;s going to be my next blog post, I think). It&#8217;s best to focus in and do one thing. But one thing may not mean one job, but one focus. It&#8217;s important to focus in on our gifts and passions, but I know the gifts and passions I have are being used both at my job and in my ministry. They feed each other.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Trombi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Trombi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 05:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am the pastor of a church in Portland, OR.  I have always believed in multiple streams of income.  We have built vacation homes and rent them out to skiers and summer guests.  It&#039;s a lot of work.  It&#039;s not only extra income for us but it&#039;s therapy.  It gets us out into the real world, dealing with real people.  We relate to business people on a different level because we now own and operate and trouble shoot a thriving home business.  We also are not do dependant upon the church providing our only source of income and it&#039;s not all about preaching for a pay check.  I believe that wants to bless us and what He does is provide us with investment opportunities that can enhance our bottom line and these properties will provide for us a great retirement income when they are all paid off.  Now I do not know how long I can personally manage them as the church grows but I sure like getting out of the office and banging a few nails and painting a few walls.  It&#039;s all therapy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am the pastor of a church in Portland, OR.  I have always believed in multiple streams of income.  We have built vacation homes and rent them out to skiers and summer guests.  It&#8217;s a lot of work.  It&#8217;s not only extra income for us but it&#8217;s therapy.  It gets us out into the real world, dealing with real people.  We relate to business people on a different level because we now own and operate and trouble shoot a thriving home business.  We also are not do dependant upon the church providing our only source of income and it&#8217;s not all about preaching for a pay check.  I believe that wants to bless us and what He does is provide us with investment opportunities that can enhance our bottom line and these properties will provide for us a great retirement income when they are all paid off.  Now I do not know how long I can personally manage them as the church grows but I sure like getting out of the office and banging a few nails and painting a few walls.  It&#8217;s all therapy!</p>
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		<title>By: ryanlipert (ryanlipert)</title>
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		<dc:creator>ryanlipert (ryanlipert)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 03:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article: http://tinyurl.com/cuyn5c</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/cuyn5c" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/cuyn5c</a></p>
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