Comments on: Changing Role of the Pastor and Church: From Geography Based to Online Community, and from Top-Down Leader to Facilitator http://rhettsmith.com/2008/10/changing-role-of-the-pastor-and-church-from-geography-based-to-online-community-and-from-top-down-leader-to-facilitator/ Thu, 10 May 2012 14:59:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: franco http://rhettsmith.com/2008/10/changing-role-of-the-pastor-and-church-from-geography-based-to-online-community-and-from-top-down-leader-to-facilitator/comment-page-1/#comment-7208 franco Fri, 29 May 2009 22:22:26 +0000 http://www.rhettsmith.com/?p=1233#comment-7208 Sadly I see this shift though it may be the trend that many will follow I can't help but think this will only be a deepening rift between the local church and the congregation. People need interaction on a face to face level which also brings accountability and responsibility, if everyone follows this trend we could lose future leaders of God's calling to care for the flock. which is the primary reason the Church exists, I could be ridiculed for this, but I truly believe we are becoming a very self centerd society and lack depth for the work of the ministry. One of the 10 commandments is not to forsake the sabbath day, a gathering of God's people under one roof to give praise and honour to our God and the Apostle Paul states we are not to stop gathering together as has become the manner of some. online communities is ok if it does not take the place of our responsiblities and our commitment to God's Word and Statues, God Bless you all Pastor Franco Sadly I see this shift though it may be the trend that many will follow I can’t help but think this will only be a deepening rift between the local church and the congregation. People need interaction on a face to face level which also brings accountability and responsibility, if everyone follows this trend we could lose future leaders of God’s calling to care for the flock. which is the primary reason the Church exists, I could be ridiculed for this, but I truly believe we are becoming a very self centerd society and lack depth for the work of the ministry. One of the 10 commandments is not to forsake the sabbath day, a gathering of God’s people under one roof to give praise and honour to our God and the Apostle Paul states we are not to stop gathering together as has become the manner of some. online communities is ok if it does not take the place of our responsiblities and our commitment to God’s Word and Statues, God Bless you all Pastor Franco

]]> By: Don http://rhettsmith.com/2008/10/changing-role-of-the-pastor-and-church-from-geography-based-to-online-community-and-from-top-down-leader-to-facilitator/comment-page-1/#comment-2978 Don Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:13:48 +0000 http://www.rhettsmith.com/?p=1233#comment-2978 Rhett - I don't have time to read this whole thing, I REALLY need to get back to work, but I couldn't help thinking "Facilitate/or" is my new fav word! It's especially important for me to make this obvious when I'm leading something way out of my depth (parenting, marriage, etc). And while I think it's a good move, it's also indicative of our generation's general angst and fear of inadequacy. with the increase of information, we can't help but feel unable to call ourselves "experts" and therefore shy away from "teaching" - we just got to make sure that we don't shy away so much that we cut our legs out from under ourselves. I'll get back to read the full post soon. Rhett – I don’t have time to read this whole thing, I REALLY need to get back to work, but I couldn’t help thinking “Facilitate/or” is my new fav word! It’s especially important for me to make this obvious when I’m leading something way out of my depth (parenting, marriage, etc). And while I think it’s a good move, it’s also indicative of our generation’s general angst and fear of inadequacy. with the increase of information, we can’t help but feel unable to call ourselves “experts” and therefore shy away from “teaching” – we just got to make sure that we don’t shy away so much that we cut our legs out from under ourselves. I’ll get back to read the full post soon.

]]> By: Pastors and Technology: We Need to Re-Imagine Our Roles « Collection of Crumbs http://rhettsmith.com/2008/10/changing-role-of-the-pastor-and-church-from-geography-based-to-online-community-and-from-top-down-leader-to-facilitator/comment-page-1/#comment-2985 Pastors and Technology: We Need to Re-Imagine Our Roles « Collection of Crumbs Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:10:15 +0000 http://www.rhettsmith.com/?p=1233#comment-2985 [...] ministry, pastors, social media, Technology, Wess Daniels |   Some of the commenters from my post yesterday got me thinking about some things that I just briefly want to comment [...] [...] ministry, pastors, social media, Technology, Wess Daniels |   Some of the commenters from my post yesterday got me thinking about some things that I just briefly want to comment [...]

]]> By: » Pastors and Technology: We Need to Re-Imagine Our Roles http://rhettsmith.com/2008/10/changing-role-of-the-pastor-and-church-from-geography-based-to-online-community-and-from-top-down-leader-to-facilitator/comment-page-1/#comment-2976 » Pastors and Technology: We Need to Re-Imagine Our Roles Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:50:19 +0000 http://www.rhettsmith.com/?p=1233#comment-2976 [...] of the commenters from my post yesterday got me thinking about some things that I just briefly want to comment [...] [...] of the commenters from my post yesterday got me thinking about some things that I just briefly want to comment [...]

]]> By: Rhett Smith http://rhettsmith.com/2008/10/changing-role-of-the-pastor-and-church-from-geography-based-to-online-community-and-from-top-down-leader-to-facilitator/comment-page-1/#comment-2983 Rhett Smith Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:22:38 +0000 http://www.rhettsmith.com/?p=1233#comment-2983 Vince, Chad, Tyler and Sean: Thanks for commenting. You have made me think about some stuff in your comments. Probably going to post on it here. rhett Vince, Chad, Tyler and Sean:

Thanks for commenting. You have made me think about some stuff in your comments. Probably going to post on it here.

rhett

]]> By: Sean http://rhettsmith.com/2008/10/changing-role-of-the-pastor-and-church-from-geography-based-to-online-community-and-from-top-down-leader-to-facilitator/comment-page-1/#comment-2974 Sean Thu, 02 Oct 2008 05:27:07 +0000 http://www.rhettsmith.com/?p=1233#comment-2974 Nice post. I think the large/mega church phenomenon has quietly transitioned most pastors into facilitators already. I see very little shepherding in churches I am familiar with. I would suggest calling most church staff "directors" or "ministers", and those actually working directly with people in the church (not just the staff), pastors. This is one reason why small groups are so effective. It may be hyperbole, but small group leaders are really doing the pastoring (aka shepherding) these days... not the "pastors". All due respect to pastors. I believe this trend will only increase as believers can find better facilitators online. There are currently better systems, organizational technology, better teaching, etc. online. I don't see any of this inherently "bad", but it calls for wisdom and foresight. Nice post. I think the large/mega church phenomenon has quietly transitioned most pastors into facilitators already. I see very little shepherding in churches I am familiar with. I would suggest calling most church staff “directors” or “ministers”, and those actually working directly with people in the church (not just the staff), pastors. This is one reason why small groups are so effective. It may be hyperbole, but small group leaders are really doing the pastoring (aka shepherding) these days… not the “pastors”. All due respect to pastors.

I believe this trend will only increase as believers can find better facilitators online. There are currently better systems, organizational technology, better teaching, etc. online.

I don’t see any of this inherently “bad”, but it calls for wisdom and foresight.

]]> By: Tyler http://rhettsmith.com/2008/10/changing-role-of-the-pastor-and-church-from-geography-based-to-online-community-and-from-top-down-leader-to-facilitator/comment-page-1/#comment-2973 Tyler Wed, 01 Oct 2008 21:35:16 +0000 http://www.rhettsmith.com/?p=1233#comment-2973 I think blogging is an example of this. You get to choose what you want to read and what not to read. Most likely you are going to read stuff you enjoy (at least I hope you would). With online church communities, you will get to choose from the soon to be thousands of different online churches to find one that fits you. It is church shopping at a whole new level. I don't know that it is an all positive thing. We are already too consumeristic. I think blogging is an example of this. You get to choose what you want to read and what not to read. Most likely you are going to read stuff you enjoy (at least I hope you would). With online church communities, you will get to choose from the soon to be thousands of different online churches to find one that fits you. It is church shopping at a whole new level.

I don’t know that it is an all positive thing. We are already too consumeristic.

]]> By: Chad Jarnagin http://rhettsmith.com/2008/10/changing-role-of-the-pastor-and-church-from-geography-based-to-online-community-and-from-top-down-leader-to-facilitator/comment-page-1/#comment-2980 Chad Jarnagin Wed, 01 Oct 2008 19:03:34 +0000 http://www.rhettsmith.com/?p=1233#comment-2980 there is something to be said of those that are paying attention to "next" things. good stuff. there is something to be said of those that are paying attention to “next” things.

good stuff.

]]> By: vince http://rhettsmith.com/2008/10/changing-role-of-the-pastor-and-church-from-geography-based-to-online-community-and-from-top-down-leader-to-facilitator/comment-page-1/#comment-2979 vince Wed, 01 Oct 2008 18:53:04 +0000 http://www.rhettsmith.com/?p=1233#comment-2979 i think the thing that will scare the 'powers that be' is the 'self organize' aspect. which i think is the strongest thing behind the best movements i think the thing that will scare the ‘powers that be’ is the ‘self organize’ aspect.

which i think is the strongest thing behind the best movements

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