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		<title>By: Maarten Kenter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maarten Kenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Don.

I really like your understanding that the sermon is not the whole of worship but is a part of the worship of the living God. With regard to the classic &quot;three pointer&quot;, I am not as concerned about the format as the content. We have morning and evening worship services where a certain book of the Bible is expounded verse  by verse (or section by section). It can take one or two years to finsh one book. To some, this may sound dreadful but as congregants we are treated to a feast week in and week out. The preaching portion of worship is usually about 40 minutes and helps us get the sense of the what&#039;s going on in the text and so often points us to the Word Himself. Pointing people to Jesus Christ and exalting Him is paramount. I appreciate your desire to make sure people get that one point in a sermon. I hope that you can convey the gospel and the glory of God in that time as well. 

Sincerely,

Maarten</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Don.</p>
<p>I really like your understanding that the sermon is not the whole of worship but is a part of the worship of the living God. With regard to the classic &#8220;three pointer&#8221;, I am not as concerned about the format as the content. We have morning and evening worship services where a certain book of the Bible is expounded verse  by verse (or section by section). It can take one or two years to finsh one book. To some, this may sound dreadful but as congregants we are treated to a feast week in and week out. The preaching portion of worship is usually about 40 minutes and helps us get the sense of the what&#8217;s going on in the text and so often points us to the Word Himself. Pointing people to Jesus Christ and exalting Him is paramount. I appreciate your desire to make sure people get that one point in a sermon. I hope that you can convey the gospel and the glory of God in that time as well. </p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>Maarten</p>
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		<title>By: megan fox fhm</title>
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		<dc:creator>megan fox fhm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 16:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rhett, and here I&#039;d thought you&#039;d figured this out already...

I think one of the biggest parts for me in this how does the sermon function in the whole event of worship.  Are we talking about a few songs, offering and than THE sermon, as if it&#039;s really the reason people are there?  I think that&#039;s very problematic.  However, if the sermon functions as part of an entire worship event, as one element among many that attempt to drive toward an encounter with the living Word, I think it can be better.

One thing I&#039;ve taken from my days with Junior High students into my preaching is that I have little regard for the classic &quot;three point sermon.&quot;  I personally always hated filling in the blanks or taking prescribed notes on a sermon and that&#039;s often what you&#039;d have to do to get much out of a 45 minute sermon.  So instead, I tend to preach for 15 minutes or so with the idea that I want to convey one point, that&#039;s it.  I also try to point out how this single idea plays out outside of the worship service.

Does this measure up to reclaiming or retooling the sermon, not exactly, but I do hope it steers away from some of abuses of the lecture sermon that has become so common in the West.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rhett, and here I&#8217;d thought you&#8217;d figured this out already&#8230;</p>
<p>I think one of the biggest parts for me in this how does the sermon function in the whole event of worship.  Are we talking about a few songs, offering and than THE sermon, as if it&#8217;s really the reason people are there?  I think that&#8217;s very problematic.  However, if the sermon functions as part of an entire worship event, as one element among many that attempt to drive toward an encounter with the living Word, I think it can be better.</p>
<p>One thing I&#8217;ve taken from my days with Junior High students into my preaching is that I have little regard for the classic &#8220;three point sermon.&#8221;  I personally always hated filling in the blanks or taking prescribed notes on a sermon and that&#8217;s often what you&#8217;d have to do to get much out of a 45 minute sermon.  So instead, I tend to preach for 15 minutes or so with the idea that I want to convey one point, that&#8217;s it.  I also try to point out how this single idea plays out outside of the worship service.</p>
<p>Does this measure up to reclaiming or retooling the sermon, not exactly, but I do hope it steers away from some of abuses of the lecture sermon that has become so common in the West.</p>
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		<title>By: prophetsandpopstars.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>prophetsandpopstars.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 23:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;sermon.mpx: what are we listening for?&lt;/strong&gt;

Rhett Smith, in his postI Can&#8217;t Listen To Another Sermon, is puzzling:
 &#8220;I’m obviously a firm believer in preaching….I’m just wondering if we need to change some of our methods. I know I need to.&#8221;
In the comments, I tried to ad...</description>
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<p>Rhett Smith, in his postI Can&#8217;t Listen To Another Sermon, is puzzling:<br />
 &#8220;I’m obviously a firm believer in preaching….I’m just wondering if we need to change some of our methods. I know I need to.&#8221;<br />
In the comments, I tried to ad&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Rigdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Rigdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been wrestling with similar questions about preaching for some time. It seems to me that certain spiritual gifts or practices like preaching are overemphasized or exaggerated, while others are either suppressed or politely ignored.

I have found some hope in Eugene Peterson&#039;s Eat This Book and his discussion of the lectio divina (the Bible as a tool for spiritual formation, not just information).

I have noticed that when I implement it, some of the students who are normally bored out of their minds by lecture are suddenly engaged and participating. Then again, I usually have the luxury of a group of 15-20 students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been wrestling with similar questions about preaching for some time. It seems to me that certain spiritual gifts or practices like preaching are overemphasized or exaggerated, while others are either suppressed or politely ignored.</p>
<p>I have found some hope in Eugene Peterson&#8217;s Eat This Book and his discussion of the lectio divina (the Bible as a tool for spiritual formation, not just information).</p>
<p>I have noticed that when I implement it, some of the students who are normally bored out of their minds by lecture are suddenly engaged and participating. Then again, I usually have the luxury of a group of 15-20 students.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhett Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhett Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 08:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tyler....great point.  Musical worship is always evolving, and churches experiment with it all the time...even doing different services to &quot;meet the needs&quot; of those with that musical taste.  But it seems that even though we change the worship, add a service, etc...we just import the same sermon.

I&#039;m just as guilty.

rhett</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tyler&#8230;.great point.  Musical worship is always evolving, and churches experiment with it all the time&#8230;even doing different services to &#8220;meet the needs&#8221; of those with that musical taste.  But it seems that even though we change the worship, add a service, etc&#8230;we just import the same sermon.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just as guilty.</p>
<p>rhett</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 23:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is funny how most churches haven&#039;t re thought or re done a sermon but they have rethought and redone worship. I find this odd and obviously you do a little too. Postmoderns typically want to interact, but very little about a sermon or message involves interaction. I guess maybe a bigger question is how else big churches can provide a message to everyone without using the form of a sermon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is funny how most churches haven&#8217;t re thought or re done a sermon but they have rethought and redone worship. I find this odd and obviously you do a little too. Postmoderns typically want to interact, but very little about a sermon or message involves interaction. I guess maybe a bigger question is how else big churches can provide a message to everyone without using the form of a sermon.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhett Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhett Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 21:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know....those are questions I was asking myself in some of my earlier posts.  You may not be able to have a conversation with a crowd of 1,000 people in a Sunday morning service.  But I think there are ways to make that congregation part of the service, whether it&#039;s during the week (addding questions, thoughts, insights, doing interviews, etc. with them), or doing some random Q and A during the service.

But I think it&#039;s time to experiment.

I agree...I think unfortunately, the sermon event has become the life of the church, or the event of worship....but there are so many other elements....obviously the proclamation of God&#039;s Word is crucial and the pinnacle of our worship in many ways, but I don&#039;t think that has to be done in the sermon...at least in the way we have been doing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know&#8230;.those are questions I was asking myself in some of my earlier posts.  You may not be able to have a conversation with a crowd of 1,000 people in a Sunday morning service.  But I think there are ways to make that congregation part of the service, whether it&#8217;s during the week (addding questions, thoughts, insights, doing interviews, etc. with them), or doing some random Q and A during the service.</p>
<p>But I think it&#8217;s time to experiment.</p>
<p>I agree&#8230;I think unfortunately, the sermon event has become the life of the church, or the event of worship&#8230;.but there are so many other elements&#8230;.obviously the proclamation of God&#8217;s Word is crucial and the pinnacle of our worship in many ways, but I don&#8217;t think that has to be done in the sermon&#8230;at least in the way we have been doing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Singley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Singley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been speaking for years (okay, decades, yikes I&#039;m old), but for the past 5 or 6 years I stay far away from &quot;preaching&quot;.  Granted, I do it in camp and retreat settings, not church, so maybe it&#039;s different.

However, if I&#039;m going to be speaking to a group, I prefer a conversation.  I&#039;ll often stop and poll the crowd.  Sometimes I&#039;ll do an impromptu Q&amp;A.  Sometimes if a stellar worship leader is around and I feel moved, we&#039;ll have a song in the middle of a talk.

Whatever it is, whatever it means, I generally agree with you, especially in non-mega church settings.  I don&#039;t know how this works with large groups (1,000 plus) though.  Would it be feasible to have a conversation with a group that large?  I just don&#039;t know.

Great post, Rhett.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been speaking for years (okay, decades, yikes I&#8217;m old), but for the past 5 or 6 years I stay far away from &#8220;preaching&#8221;.  Granted, I do it in camp and retreat settings, not church, so maybe it&#8217;s different.</p>
<p>However, if I&#8217;m going to be speaking to a group, I prefer a conversation.  I&#8217;ll often stop and poll the crowd.  Sometimes I&#8217;ll do an impromptu Q&amp;A.  Sometimes if a stellar worship leader is around and I feel moved, we&#8217;ll have a song in the middle of a talk.</p>
<p>Whatever it is, whatever it means, I generally agree with you, especially in non-mega church settings.  I don&#8217;t know how this works with large groups (1,000 plus) though.  Would it be feasible to have a conversation with a group that large?  I just don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>Great post, Rhett.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the moment, I&#039;m working through this as well.  I&#039;m wondering if preaching wouldn&#039;t have a more holistic place in the life of worship, if weren&#039;t THE life of worship.  I have a spiritual observance that is rather robust at the moment, so I look for sermons to listen to.  It adds.  The artform is masterfully handled by many.

However, for those whose faith is exercised one hour a week (or two hours), preaching doesn&#039;t seem to be doing it.
What reflects from the face of the hearer is not the glory of the Word proclaimed.  It&#039;s a shame.

It feels like the question isn&#039;t how do we save preaching, but how do we invite the listener into an engaged lifestyle of Christ following in which preaching is one course in the feast at the table of the Lord?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the moment, I&#8217;m working through this as well.  I&#8217;m wondering if preaching wouldn&#8217;t have a more holistic place in the life of worship, if weren&#8217;t THE life of worship.  I have a spiritual observance that is rather robust at the moment, so I look for sermons to listen to.  It adds.  The artform is masterfully handled by many.</p>
<p>However, for those whose faith is exercised one hour a week (or two hours), preaching doesn&#8217;t seem to be doing it.<br />
What reflects from the face of the hearer is not the glory of the Word proclaimed.  It&#8217;s a shame.</p>
<p>It feels like the question isn&#8217;t how do we save preaching, but how do we invite the listener into an engaged lifestyle of Christ following in which preaching is one course in the feast at the table of the Lord?</p>
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