Archive - November, 2005

Any cultural theorists out there? I am processing something I don’t know much about, and am looking for some insight….

I was having lunch with a student in my ministry when he began talking about the book he was reading in class, which is Marxism and Literature by Raymond Williams.

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It was an interesting conversation because he was sharing with me some of his feelings regarding church, Christianity, etc. And what was most interesting to me was that he was almost saying verbatim what I have been reading in Emerging Churches: Creating Christian Community in Postmodern Cultures. And he’s not even reading the book. But as he was sharing with me he was talking about this book by Raymond Williams and the cultural theory of a residual, dominant, and emergent culture.

Here is a paper I found online by Raymond Williams regarding these ideas. Here are a few excerpts of what he says about emergent culture:

By ‘emergent’ I mean, first, that new meanings and values, new practices, new relationships and kinds of relationship are continually being created. But it is exceptionally difficult to distinguish between those which are really elements of some new phase of the dominant culture (and in this sense ‘species specific’) and those which are substantially alternative or oppositional to it: emergent in the strict sense, rather than merely novel. Since we are always considering relations within a cul­tural process, definitions of the emergent, as of the residual, can be made only in relation to a full sense of the dominant.

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The case of the emergent is radically different. It is true that in the structure of any actual society, and especially in its class structure, there is always a social basis for elements of the cultural process that are alternative or oppositional to the dominant elements.

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Cultural emergence in relation to the emergence and growing strength of a class is then always of major importance, and always complex. But we have also to see that it is not the only kind of emergence. This recognition is very difficult, theoretically, though the practical evidence is abundant. What has really to be said, as a way of defining important elements of both the residual and the emergent, and as a way of understanding the character of the dominant, is that no mode of production and therefore no dominant social order and therefore no dominant culture ever in reality includes or exhausts all human practice, human energy, and human intention.

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What matters, finally, in understanding emergent culture, as distinct from both the dominant and the residual, is that it is never only a matter of immediate practice; indeed it depends crucially on finding new forms or adaptations of form. Again and again what we have to observe is in effect a pre-emergence, active and pressing but not yet fully articulated, rather than the evident emergence which could be more confidently named. It is to understand more closely this condition of pre-emergence, as well as the more evident forms of the emergent, the residual, and the dominant, that we need to explore the concept of structures of feeling.

Interesting stuff. I am not cultural theorist so I will not pretend to be one. But has anyone done any research in this area, or have any thoughts on this topic. I am speaking and writing out of what I have not read at length, but am curious about.

I found this statement to be interesting:

Cultural emergence in relation to the emergence and growing strength of a class is then always of major importance, and always complex. But we have also to see that it is not the only kind of emergence. This recognition is very difficult, theoretically, though the practical evidence is abundant.

Why? Because I know that the “emergent church” has been accussed of a lot of things such as having no theology, or defining perimeters, etc., etc. And even as I read through Ryan Bolger’s book, I am still trying to get a better grasp of the “emerging church” though he and Gibbs do an excellent job. But more compelling in the book, and in what I am seeing is the practical evidence that is abundant in regards to the “emerging church.” The communities are springing up everywhere and the topic is growing, though the recognition may be very difficult theoretically.

Does this make sense? Or am I way off, and misinterpreting his writing. I guess what I am saying is that the “emergent church” is here, and has arrived, but now is in the process of defining themselves more clearly…though I don’t believe that is necessarily a goal of the “emerging church” at this point. A little bit of chaos on the inside and on the fringes is acceptable and even welcome, and keeps the communities thriving.

So if any smart person can illuminate me on the work of Raymond Williams or the cultural theories of the residual, dominant and emergent, I would appreciate it.

And in closing, I guess why I am interested in this thought is because in church circles, emergent usually refers to a style, or structure, or type of church movement, but in reality, emergent is more encompassing than how it relates to church. Just as postmodernism is more encompassing than its relation to theology, but stretches and probably even had its genesis in architecture and art.

To be continued…hopefully my student will be posting in the near future the thoughts we shared at lunch. Because the unsolicited conversation that we had, pretty much solidifies the research by Ryan Bolger and Eddie Gibbs in their book, Emerging Churches: Creating Christian Community in Postmodern Cultures.

The 9 minute supertrailer…Chronicles of Narnia

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Wow! Here is the 9 minute Chronicles of Narnia supertrailer. It sent chills up my spine.

I know I’m not stepping out on any limb by saying this, but I think that the mainstream media has no idea how big this movie is going to be.

Don’t watch the trailer if you don’t want to know too much information.

HT:The A-Team Blog

Some must read quick hits…..

Frank Peretti and Spiritual Warfare

I was reading over at The Thinklings, Jared’s post, When Innovation Becomes the Default. In this post Jared stands by his claim:

….I stand by the claim that when the average evangelical thinks about spiritual warfare these days, it is not any passage in Daniel or Isaiah that comes to mind, but rather the comic-booky conflict of This Present Darkness and its sequel, in which angels swordfight demons and the battle’s outcome is dependent upon the frequency and fervency of someone’s prayers.

For those of you who don’t know Frank Peretti is, well now you can read up on him.

In 1991, former Fuller professor of New Testament, Robert Guelich wrote an article for PNEUMA: The Journal of the Society for Pentecostal Studies. If you can find it online, then good luck, but I have had no luck. But here is the reference taken from their site, Guelich, Robert A. “Spiritual Warfare: Jesus, Paul and Peretti.” Vol. 13 (Spring 1991): 33-64.

It is a fascinating article, and a must read. You will walk away realizing just how much of your views on spiritual warfare have been more based on the popular culture of Peretti’s work, rather than on the actual teachings of Jesus, Paul, or the bible. Very enlightening.

Guelich closes the article by saying this:

In sum: “Peretti’s” accent on spiritual warfare as the fundamental description of the Christian life risks turning the “Prince of peace” into the “Commander-in-Chief,” a role that fits the messianic expectation of Jewish apocalyptic eschatology more than the Christology of the Gospels and the Pauline corpus. It leads to numerous distortions about the person and work of Christ, the believers’ role in proclaiming the gospel with its personal and social implications, Satan and his hosts and the nature of evil. Indeed it can even harm the cause of the gospel, while attempting to serve that cause, and it can create severe trauma to individuals while seeking to bring them health and wholeness. In the end, by falling into C.S. Lewis’ second error we can become victims of Satan’s own “battle plans!”

HT: Evangelical Outpost

C.S. Lewis and the Narnia Film

BoingBoing has an article up today which says that Lewis wrote a letter stating that he never wanted Narnia made into a film. Here is the letter, which I pasted from here:

The Kilns,
Headington Quarry,
Oxford
18 Dec. 1959

Dear Sieveking

(Why do you ‘Dr’ me? Had we not dropped the honorifics?) As things worked out, I wasn’t free to hear a single instalment of our serial [The Magician's Nephew] except the first. What I did hear, I approved. I shd. be glad for the series to be given abroad. But I am absolutely opposed – adamant isn’t in it! – to a TV version. Anthropomorphic animals, when taken out of narrative into actual visibility, always turn into buffoonery or nightmare. At least, with photography. Cartoons (if only Disney did not combine so much vulgarity with his genius!) wld. be another matter. A human, pantomime, Aslan wld. be to me blasphemy.

All the best,
yours
C. S. Lewis

[Letter to BBC producer Lance Sieveking (1896-1972), who has written at the top: 'The Magician's Nephew' and, after the address, the phone number "62963".]

HT: Andrew Jones

It would be interesting to know if Lewis still held to those convictions….surely the portrayal of his characters with today’s movie technology has come a long way since 1959. And speaking as someone who is a book purist, and doesn’t think the movie adaptations ever pan out…I can say that I am looking forward to this movie. But if you haven’t read the book yet…do it now.

good words from Matthew Anderson….

Matthew Anderson who is a great blogger, and who was the main man for GodBlogCon posted this comment in regards to my latest post:

Rhett,

I don’t have any thoughts at all about the emergent church, but I thought I would point out a third way. You mention that either people are modern or post-modern–I actually think that it’s still possible to live as a pre-modern. The categories are fuzzy, but the best of Medieval thought (Thomas) seems to allow for a rationally defensible worldview that is fideistic (not badly fideistic) and optimistic about truth acquisition. The modern mindset questions the former–the post-modern (which, I’ll point out, I’m no expert on either–I just recently bought Grenz’s primer on Po-Mo) seems to question the latter. So, all that to say, hooray for the third way.

Thanks Matt. I appreciate his honesty and his desire to come to this issue with new thoughts, new ideas, etc. I look forward to what you learn, and what you have to say on this matter.

And vitriolic language either….sweet!

Also, I know in my last few posts I have been putting people into two camps, either modern or postmodern…saying that the two shall never meet. I agree that that is an overgeneralization on my part. There are people who probably fall in many different places, and who would probably place themselves in many different places. But for argument’s sake, it seems like the disagreement tends to come between the modern and postmodern camps.

But hey…I am learning through this process.

Why all the vitriolic language against the “emerging church.”

If you have been reading this blog as of late, you know that I have been commenting on the new book by Ryan Bolger, Emerging Churches: Creating Christian Communities in Postmodern Cultures.

I am a little over 200 pages into the book, and I recommend it to anyone who is interested in the Emerging Church. (By the way, I find Bolger’s and Gibbs’ definition in the book more helpful than any other ones floating around out there. And more helpful than this Wikipedia link that I posted). I also listed his definition in one of my posts the other day.

There are tons of things that I will be interested in discussing at some point, but let me point out one thing that I have noticed in this book, in the discussions floating around the internet, in personal conversation, etc.

And it is this: It seems to me that the “emergent church” is one of the few safe places for people to openly discuss anything; whether it be new ideas, doubts, questions, etc., etc. I noticed this when I attended the conferences. I know this from my interaction at school; I know this from my interaction with those more closely involved within the movement.

I think this is a huge attraction for many to the “emergent church.” Whereas they are welcoming, those outside of it seem to be either downright hostile or combative to any new thoughts, ideas, questions, doubts, or anything that doesn’t configure, or operate within their own theological system.

It is just a little amazing to me how much fear I read in people’s comments, or hear in their voice when they talk about anything “emergent.” And if it’s not fear it’s anger or hostility. And sometimes it’s just downright ridicule, hoping to belittle either the “emerging church” movement/conversation, or anyone involved with it. I am not going to list any specific blogs, but if you doubt me, just go to Technorati and type in “emerging church” or something to that affect.

I especially love the ramblings where the “emergent church” is accussed of espousing a relativistic truth, based on nothing biblical, while those attacking them ramble on basing their argument on one philosophical foundation after another with no biblical basis whatsoever.

As I mentioned in a previous post. Either you are operating in a modernistic mindset or you are operating in a postmodern mindset. And it seems the two shall never meet. Those in the postmodern mindset seem to be okay with that, and do not seem to be on the offensive at all with their counterparts. But on the otherside, why is it then that those within modernity circles are constantly on the attack?

I was born into, committed my life, was baptized, and raised in non-denominational, bible church, where my father was the founder and pastor after graduating from Dallas Theological Seminary.

I later went to a Southern Baptist college, and attended their campus church during those years. Later working for that university for three years.

Prior to making my move to California, I attended a local Catholic church in Arizona, and later moved to Guatemala for three months, and continued to attend a Catholic church.

Following my move from Guatemala, I attended a multi-denominational seminary (Fuller) in Pasadena, CA. I guess when there are over a 120 different denominations represented on one campus, you tend to learn how to listen to other’s ideas, questions, doubts, etc.

And now, I am the college director at a PCUSA church.

My experience has been pretty broad. Denominational and non-denominational bible churches (please don’t tell me you aren’t a denomination….you are) often consist of certain structures, guidelines, rules, etc., and it may come in the form of a book of order, or from a board of elders. Sometimes these institutions and churches allow for some discussion, some new ideas, some doubts, some questioning, and other times they do not. But my general feeling from my own experiences with the “emergent church” is that one of it’s biggest draws is that people are able to put conversation/ideas/thoughts/discussion/theology/worship/etc., etc. onto the table and to openly discuss it without fear of being reprimanded or of being excluded from the group.

Ryan Bolger states:

In many ways, this is a fragile movement that can be marginalized by denominational leaders and killed with criticism by theological power brokers. Whatever reservations people may have, these new voices need to be heard. Many of these innovative leaders are looking for mentors rather than critics. (pp.28-29)

So why all the fear and vitriolic language and comments that I see on the “emerging church” online? I have some ideas maybe why…..but that is for another post.

I believe one of the things that makes our college ministry successful (it would be interesting to stop and define success here as well….Because Bolger points out that in modernistic churches success is often gauged by numbers, conversions, and other things that are more related to corporate and business practices than anything else…while postmodern/emerging churches define success more on spiritual formation and the upholding of relationships within a community) is that my students know that the college ministry is a safe place for them to ask questions; express doubts; talk about their fears…and they can do this without any repercussions from myself of the community.

People need space to openly talk, and they need to believe the space is a safe place where their comments are valued and not ridiculed. They want to know that there are people who will come alongside them on their journey.

I wanted people to hear this from me. From someone who is a “card carrying member” of the evangelical/non-denominational bible church. From someone who is orthodox. From someone who pastors a group in a mainline denomination.

I appreciate what Bolger’s and Gibbs’ book is openly discussing, and for those who are a part of that journey. You give space to many, especially many in ministry who have questions, doubts, new ideas, etc., etc. Thanks.

Here’s your pop culture meets politics news for the day….50 Cent wants to meet President Bush.

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here it is

and

50 Cent blasts Kanye West and his remarks

HT: Hugh Hewitt

Don’t think that I don’t keep you informed of all the important news…

“emerging churches” continues….what do you think?

This post is a continuation of this post and book from a few days back

I know that as soon as some read the quotes below they will state that, “Isn’t this already what we are doing in churches and as Christians? This doesn’t seem new to me.” But that would be to misunderstand the entire approach with how “emerging churches” are doing these things differently from what they consider to be churches that go about these things through the lense of modernity.

The approach to how one does church, or how one evangelizes, or how one looks at the kingdom, etc., etc., is quite different depending on whether you use a modern or postmodern hermenuetic. This is just one of the places where “emerging churches” part ways with other forms of church. Either you are living in and acknowledging a postmodern world, or you are living in and acknowledging a modern world. This will determine as well if you are open to discussion, willing to listen, etc.

…., we are now ready to offer our definition of emerging churches: Emerging churches are communities that practice the way of Jesus within postmodern cultures. This definition encompasses the nine practices. Emerging churches (1)identify with the life of Jesus, (2)transform the secular realm, and (3)live highly communal lives. Because of these three activities, they (4)welcome the stranger, (5)serve with generosity, (6)participate as prodcuers, (7)create as created beings, (8)lead as a body, and (9)take part in spiritual activities.

As I have mentioned….how these things are accomplished are quite different within “emerging churches.” The voices within this book would reject the hermenuetic, or praxis of how this takes place in other forms of church. So I think that both modern and postmodern churches might agree on some of the things they are about, but that is about it…how they will set about to accomplish these things will set them apart.

Continuing….

At the risk of creating more questions than offering answers, it may be helpful to compare emerging churches (as defined above) with existing forms of church. Against all stereotypes, coffee and candles do not an emerging church make. As already mentioned, Gen-X megachurches are not emerging churches, and neither are Gen-X/young adult services. Indeed, they may meet the criteria for creativity, but they fall short in regard to the other eight categories. Their approach to ministry is modern, with their dualistic/spiritualized/interiorized understanding of Jesus, their embrace of the sacred/secular split, and their focus on the church meeting as opposed to community life. The same is true for their parents, seeker churches that may feature a creative service but do not display the other eight categories. Purpose-driven churches may meet the creativity aspect as well, but that is all. The Vineyard might meet one category, that of Jesus, but it is a spiritualized and powerful Jesus–not a social/political one. Calvary Chapel does not meet any of the categories as defined in this book (with Calvary Chapel Dana Point as an exception).

We do not exclude the possibility that churches within these movements could become emerging churches or that some indeed are. However, at this time, we see little evidence of the nine patterns. Because Gen-X, seeker, new paradigm, and purpose-driven churches are forms that are imbedded in particular cultures, these churches would need to change their practices dramatically (i.e., their church culture) to communicate clearly within a postmodern world. The question is whether these movements could remain true to their tradition while making the transition to an emerging church.

Both fundamentalist and mainline churches will also face numerous challenges in becoming emerging churches, as both of these forms of church are imbedded in modern culture as well. Those churches that preceded the Reformation (Catholic and Orthodox), and to a large extent Anglicanism, have many practices that resonate with those of emerging churches. Likewise, churches outside mainstream culture, such as the various minority and a few free church traditions, strongly resemble emerging churches (modernity was not friend to communities outside the mainstream, and therefore these more marginal communities have lived in opposition to aspects of modernity during the entire existence). Similar to their fundamentalist and liberal counterparts, evangelical churches, also born in modernity, face numerous challenges if they are to embody their way of life within postmodern culture………..

The chapters in this book are full of stories about dismantling and rebuilding rooted in the Kingdom of God. Any non-kingdom reconstruction, after the tearing down process, will prove dehumanizing and fruitless. We share common cause with the postmodern philosophers who revealed the oppressive nature of the master stories (metanarratives) of modernity. But our shared journey ends once the deconstruction is complete, for we do believe there is one metanarrative, one master story that redeems our material reality, welcomes the outsider, shares generously, empowers, listens, manifests in a myriad of local expressions, remains the singular “missio Dei”, the kingdome of God, the gospel. With this in mind, we do well to follow Pete Rollins’s (ikon, Belfast, UK) advice to hold loosely our reconstructions, for ‘whatever we put in the void of the divine darkness will end up as a grand conceptual idol if we do not view it with humility.’ Let us now look at what is built after the dismantling process is complete. (pp. 45-46)

can’t sleep right now….

It’s late, and I can’t sleep. I have been trying. Been to bed, but I’m back up because Ryan Bolger’s new book is making me ask too many questions right now.

Ever since I started reading this book about a week ago I have been tossing and turning at night.

Stay tuned….

Happy Thanksgiving….

I hope everyone has a wonderful Thanksgiving, and may it be a joyous and fun time with friends and family.

Munich…Spielberg’s best movie yet?

This trailer for the soon to be released movie, Munich, is intense.

Some are saying this could be Steven Spielberg’s best film yet.

Others are wondering if this is the movie he maybe shouldn’t have made because of the topic and the swirling controversy.

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